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Are L2 tokens worthless governance coins? Will they accrue value? Are L2 tokens bullish? Ryan and David dive into the details in this week’s episode of Bankless Takes.


TIMESTAMPS & RESOURCES

0:00 Intro

3:03 L2s Numbers

https://www.growthepie.xyz/fundamentals/daily-active-addresses

https://l2beat.com/scaling/summary

https://defillama.com/chains

16:55 Tokens Worthless?

https://x.com/RyanSAdams/status/1745919415604883725

32:30 P/E Ratios

36:05 Token Valuations

38:40 Alt-L1 Bull Case

44:40 Summarizing

47:00 Closing & Disclaimers

Transcript
00:00
Ryan

Why are L2 tokens bullish? That is the topic today on Bankless Takes. Bankless Takes is an episode where David and I just speak our mind on whatever we want to talk about. And today we decided to talk about it.

00:10
David

Talk about layer two tokens.

00:12
Ryan

Yeah. Are they bullish? Are they bearish? I mean, that was kind of a question. A few things we're going to take on. The question of are L2 tokens worthless governance tokens? That is a narrative going around. Will they accrue any value or are they actually bullish?

00:27
David

Brian, before we get into the conversation, uh why? Why are we having this conversation? Where did this come from?

00:32
Ryan

While you were out mountain climbing, David, there was uh some robust discussion in the Bankless Citizen Discord, as there always is, by the way. So if you are a bankless citizen

00:40
David

You should

00:41
Ryan

join

00:42
Ryan

great discussions. Anyway, the question was posed exactly as I stated like, are L2 tokens gonna go up? Are they bearish? Are they bullish?

00:50
Ryan

Are they just worthless governance tokens? How should we think about them? How do you guys think about them? And so this is essentially my answer to this. And I want to see how much you uh agree with that answer. And uh we may as well record it as an episode. Sound good?

01:05
David

I I think we should do it, and we'll get right into that conversation. But before we do, a moment to talk about some of these fantastic sponsors that make this show possible, especially

01:13
Ryan

All right, David. So the first place, and if we're going to talk about L2 tokens, we have to see if they're zombie chains or not. Like, is anyone actually using these things? And it's been uh a few days since I've looked at some of these metrics, uh, but in depth, probably uh like a few weeks, and it's maybe maybe worth a review to look at some of the core metrics. So I've got a website pulled up.

01:32
David

let's set the table.

01:33
Ryan

It's uh called growthhe.xyz. And uh fun fact, David, you can get a lot of L2 metrics, layer two metrics on the internet these days. All right. There's a series of I know it's uh a series of fantastic sites that put this out. The first is GrowThePie. And let's take a look at daily active addresses. So you can think of a daily active address almost like a

01:56
Ryan

a bank account. It's true that like

01:58
Ryan

a user can have multiple uh addresses. That is also true. So it's like a one to many relationships.

02:04
David

Probably have like, I don't know, thousands.

02:06
Ryan

Probably. But this gives you a sense of the number of addresses on the chain. ZK Sync era is right now leading in daily active addresses. So these are kind of bank accounts, as it were, using the chain, 428,000 daily. Arbitrum, right behind that, 185,000. Linea, uh right behind that, 88k. OP Mainnet, 66, base 63, scroll 40 44k, on down, Zora, Polygon are also in there, immutable X, etc. Polygon POS is not in there because uh not technically a layer two

02:43
Ryan

side chain.

02:43
David

Yeah.

02:44
Ryan

Yeah, it's a it's a side chain, but that is in the process of being converted to a layer two. I expect we see that sometime in 2024. Anyway, that gives you a sense of some of the activity. And it's um it's kind of up only, David, if you look at sort of the maximum. Look at this.

02:59
David

Right.

02:59
Ryan

I mean, it's growing. Now,

03:01
David

Yeah.

03:01
Ryan

we I should probably say not all of this activity it corresponds to one like user. I think some of these chains are like airdrop hunting, airdrop farming,

03:11
David

Yeah.

03:11
Ryan

as it were.

03:12
David

The chains that have not issued tokens have a probably a significant premium of activity from people who are just using the chain to hunt the token. And you can probably see that both in the daily active addresses and also the transaction counts for some of these chains.

03:27
Ryan

And which ones would those be? Like ZK, uh

03:30
David

Yeah. ZK Sync era is the big one. Linnea also very big. Base is probably not being airdrop hunted because I don't think people are really like thinking about a base token. And so there's opportunity cost to hunt the base token when you could be hunting like ZK Sync has been talking about their token for like 2019 or something. Like they've haven't been shy about that. And so probably base is more or less above 95% organic.

03:56
Ryan

So good numbers uh on that and uh certainly up only. On the transaction count, we're seeing kind of uh up only numbers as well. So you'll notice some m massive spikes here too. Like, see this arbitrary

04:08
David

In inscriptions inscriptions, right?

04:10
Ryan

inscription. Oh, that was

04:11
David

That was the spike that took down the Arbitrum chain.

04:13
Ryan

exactly this was uh

04:14
David

Also, was the number one largest daily transaction volume of any layer two.

04:20
Ryan

Yeah. Um so really stress tested arbitrary and actually

04:24
David

Trust tested.

04:25
Ryan

so this is definitely a metric of for usage, but it can be gamed and like all various ways that we've sort of seen

04:31
David

Transaction is does not equal one transaction. Not all transactions are the same.

04:34
Ryan

But still, I mean, you want to see an uptrend line over time, and you'll see spikes for volatility. It's also a good stress test of how many transactions these networks can actually uh handle before falling over. So ZK Sync era right now is the current lead with 1.3 million transactions on a daily basis. Arbitrum a second with uh 720,000 right now.

04:57
David

Did you hear the report as to uh why Arbitrum um toppled over when the inscription attack got it?

05:03
Ryan

Um a little bit, yeah. I don't recall all the details.

05:06
David

I think it was something like super trivial. It was like an out-of-date Prism client. And once they once they updated it, it was like, oh, it's done. We fixed it.

05:16
Ryan

That's the problem. You just have one sequencer as well, right? Which multiple sequencers can start to fix.

05:20
David

Liveness failures.

05:22
Ryan

Um OP Mainnet is next, uh 369,000. Uh, and then base and immutable X is on there. Uh Linnea is on there as well.

05:31
David

Congratulations to Arbitrum for passing 500 million transactions. I don't know if that makes them number one in total like raw transaction count. It could be. They could be number one in that for layer two. So that that's pretty cool for layer twos. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty cool. And Arbitrum like probably has the highest ratio of total transactions to total organic transactions because they've had like a decent amount of activity post token launch. Yeah.

05:56
Ryan

They've been around for a while too. Um stablecoin metrics as well. So Arbitrum has about $2 billion worth of stable coins on chain. Uh OP has 610

06:06
Ryan

uh million.

06:07
David

Million

06:08
Ryan

And then base, all right. This is one to watch for stable coins. You know that Coinbase is going to send some love, base is

06:14
David

they're gonna put the USDC on the base chain. That's where it's gonna go. And then Circle, which Coinbase owns 25% of, is gonna go public. And then base is going to be the Visa competitor. That's my prediction.

06:28
Ryan

That feels like a a good, a solid prediction. So this is at 300 million right now, but I expect that to like 10x, blossom, you know,

06:35
David

Block.

06:35
David

Yeah.

06:36
Ryan

50x. I don't know, something like that. It's going to uh be pretty large. Then a total lock value locked. This is a pretty astounding statistic. So yeah. So if we look at the total,

06:46
David

Arbitrum chart.

06:47
Ryan

22 billion across all layer twos. All right. But so um Arbitrum has about half that at uh 10 billion. OP has about 6 billion, and then base 750 million. Uh so pretty respectable ZK Sync era.

07:01
David

I I really like having base metrics here because they feel so pure.

07:06
David

Optimism and Arbitrum probably pure pretty damn pure too. Arbitrum, I think, recently has some uh liquidity incentives going on that are kind of juicing some numbers. But like the base is they're not gonna juice liquidity. They're not launching a token. So like the base just feels like it gives us um

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