Pet3r Pan | Layer Zero

welcome, to, layer, zero, layer, zero, is, a podcast, of, unscripted, conversations, with the, people, that, make, up, the, ethereum community crypto, is, built, by, code, but, is, composed by, people, and, each, individual, member, of the, community, has, their, own, story, to tell cypherpunks, understood, that, the, code they, write, impacts, the, people, that, use it, and, layer, zero, is, a, podcast, that focuses, on, the, people, behind, the, code because, the, theorem, is, people, all, the way, down, and, it, always, has, been today, i'm, talking, with, peter, pan, who, is a, fellow, class, of, 2017, crypto, person, got

into, the, world, of, crypto, around, the, same time, i, did made, similar, typical, newbie, mistakes that, one, does, buying, xrp, um, but, peter immediately, injected, himself, right, into the, core, of, the, ethereum, community, and kind, of, led, the, charge, for, dallas, he, was one, of, the, earliest, dowers to, really, kind, of, reinvigorate, this whole, dao, revolution, starting, i, think, in maybe, early, 2019 peter's, legacy, along, with, others, as, well

is, metta, cartel medicartel, was, the, first, dow, after moloch, dao, to, really, use, the, the, dope molok, framework, and, to, try, and, bestow part, of, what, its, visions, should, be, upon the, world, via, funding, grants, but, it's really, turned, into, much, much, more, than that, i, think, meta, cartel, is, um it's, a, meme, that, is, also, um a, public, good, kind, of, it's, a, it's, a, vibe that, we, all, as, a, collective, humanity, can tap, into defining, meta, cartel, i, think, is

inherently, impossible but, i, think, you, will, as, a, listener understand, why, after, you, listen, to, this conversation, with, peter, pan so, without, further, ado, let's, go, ahead and, get, right, into, that, conversation, but before, we, do, a, moment, to, talk, about, some of these, fantastic, sponsors, that, make the, show, possible, bankless, is, proud, to be, supported, by, uniswap, uniswap, is, a, new paradigm, in, asset, exchange infrastructure, instead, of, a, cumbersome order, book, system, where, trades, are matched, with, other, humans, uniswap, is, an autonomous, piece, of, software, on, ethereum which, is, what, ryan, and, i, call, a, money

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get, you, on, for, longer, than, just, 30 minutes, because, the, only, other, time we've, had, you, on, the, show, was, uh, the 30-minute, pre-interview, about, what, it was, like, to, write, that, before, a, bitcoin series, which, turned, into, like, an, audio book, type, podcast yeah, um i, think yeah, that, was, beautiful, uh, thank, you, so much, for, doing, that, yeah, uh, thank, you for, it, was, so, weird, because yeah, it, was, like like, i, wrote, it, and, like, when, i, first came, to, crypto, and, like, no, one thought, like, i, some, people, read, it, so

it's, cool, but, no, one, really, like shauna's, spot, like, no, one, cared, about, it for, pretty, much two, and, a half, years, yeah right uh when, you, wrote, it, it, was, in, the depths, of, the, 2017, mania, right, so, like not, necessarily, the, the, community, that would, appreciate, a, post, of, that, nature so, the, funny, thing, was, that, yeah, this was, one, of, the, first, things i, i, discovered, crypto, started, going, to rush, like, workshops, dev, workshops, and, 17 but, i, think, in, 2018, i, went, full-time

just, like, i, want to, learn, about, the space, i, want, to, find, a, job, i, want, to, do stuff, in, here, and, i, start, asking questions, really, on, a, fundamental, basis of, like, you, know, what, is, crypto, what, is blockchains, what, is, technology, like, what what, is, cryptography, who, created cryptography uh, and, when, i, wrote, it, it, was, just, like i, couldn't, i, wanted, to say, through, the history, i, first started, talking, to, crypto, people, again, i realized, i, couldn't, really, i, didn't, i basically, didn't, shut, up, about, this stuff and, then, i, think, that's, when, i, realized i, should, i, should, i, should, write, this down um, and, i, think, i've, the, series, was

mostly, finished uh, when, the, time, i, went, to, my, first, ever crypto, conference, uh, in, may, 2008, 2018 that's, right uh, in toronto, for, edcon um, i, was, a, sponsor, it, was, a, sponsored trip, like, some, people, uh, bucky, pooba, in sydney funded, me, to, go, on, a, scholarship, to, go to, the, conference, and, i, didn't, know anyone, i, didn't, have, any, friends, so, in the, hashtag, edcon, hashtag, for, the conference, i, just, posted, like, i, kept, on

posting, this, link of, like, the, 70s, intro, to history, on, uh, before, bitcoin, and surprisingly, i, met, a, few, people, such, as philip, um and, chris, safer, like, who, were, working, on brain, bot, and, i'm, token, back, then, like just, different, people, i, know, all, the, way to, today, that, like, actually, like, came across, what, i, wrote, and, then, i, actually read, all, of, it because because, you, just, tweeted, out, the, the link, with, the, hashtag just, because, you, speak, barely, like, i barely, had, any, crypto, followers, or

anything, and, i, was, just, like, spamming that, hashtag, of, like, hey, check, this, out the, history, of, crypto that's, hilarious, uh, not, not, too, many people, know, this, but, i, kind, of, have, a similar, like, entrance, into, crypto, for, at youth, denver, 2018., i, wrote, out, some essays, that, i, thought, would, be interesting, and, i, didn't, have, a, medium account, i, didn't, know, what, a, medium account, was, at, the, time, uh, and, so, i printed, out, these, essays, and, i, was handing, them, i, literally, had, a, backpack that, felt, like, 20, pounds, of, paper, and, i was, handing, them, out, physically, to people, at, east, denver, 2018.

i, think, uh, some, of, the, early, cypherpunks did, that, as, well, uh who, it, was, but, you, know, they, were handing, out, the, cypherpunk, manifesto, and paper, to, people right, they, were, doing, that, in, the, 80s and, 90s, right yeah, that's, right, good, point okay, so, uh the, the, very, basic, question, that, i, think i'll, start, with, is, like, how, what, was your, first, entrance, into, crypto, how, did crypto, land, in, your, life honestly, um, i, think, well, i, think, this

went, back, to, 2012, and, 13, when, i, was online, i, was, like, doing, weird, internet things, i, was, like, learning, how, to, like it's, like, they, were, online, they, were like, weird, firms, about, things, such, as like, how, do, you, social, like social, engineer, systems, so, you, can, get like, free, cans, of, red, bull right or, like, you, know, you, learn, it's, like, it was, a, whole, forum, about, like, you, know weird, tricks, in, society, like, in, life sort, of, it's, like, real, life, like, real life, exploits, yeah, it's, like, really exactly, real, life, exploits, and, bugs, that were, sort, of, harmless, right, like, how, do

you, get, three, cans, of, red, bulls, like, he messaged, the, support, being, like, oh, my god, i've, bought, six, cans, and, they're absolutely, nothing, in, all, of, them they'll, air, i, wanna, i, would, like, a replacement please, right, or, like, how, do, you, get, a small, fry, at, mcdonald's, for, free, just, go when, it's, busy, and, awesome, you, missed they, missed, it, right, um, like, we, had little, society, bugs, like, this, and, that and, one, of, the, forms, was, like uh yeah, they, were, like, you, know, it's, like hey, you, can, earn, several, dollars, a, day clicking, captures and, uh, that, happens, to, be, a, site, where

you, basically, like, it, it, was, like bitcoin, falls, back, in, 2012, or, 13. uh, and, that's, where, i, discovered, bitcoin i, just, like, for, a, day, or, two and, like, you, know, barely, sense, just clicking, on, captures, and, like, getting bitcoin, from, different, drips, and, faucets and i, think, that's, when, um yeah, and, i, didn't, think, too, much, about it, i, was, like, this, is weird, why, am, i, doing, this, this, is i'm, gonna, stop, doing, this, this, is, like, a very, little, benefit, to, me, was, it, was, it because, of, the, money, or, just, because, you could

because, i, could, i, was, like, fascinated with, i, like, set, up, wallets, i, was, like collecting, like mini, bits, of, satoshi's, every, time uh, and i, just, went, down, different, rabbit, holes you, know, uh, on, the, internet, like, that, so like, you, know, i, still, have, the, account to, today, so, it's, like, today, it's, like seventy, dollars, maybe, right, but, i, like it like, wow, did, you, were, you, one, of, those few, people, that, actually, kept, the private, keys, of, their, first, bitcoins they, ever, got yeah, i, i, i, i, actually, surprisingly, i

don't, know, how, i dug, it, up, but, i, like, i, remember, one, day i, was, just, like, looking, like, i, wonder, if like uh, i, have, anything, i, just, like, searching my, email, and, yeah, i, still, have, it actually, too, bad, the, airdrops, aren't really, a, thing, on, bitcoin, because, those wallets, would, have yeah yeah, um, so, i, learned, about, that, then skip, didn't, care, anything, about, it, i, was really, like, working, mostly, like, tech startups, in, sydney in, like, 17 uh, 16, and, 18, and, um

around, that, time, period, and uh, i, sort, of, got, bored, of, like, building web, 2, and, i, think, i, started, exploring again and and, you, know, i, think, i, started, hearing about, like, i, think, in, the, mid, early, 17 like, people, talking, about, investing, and figuring, out, how, like, you, know, uh, and, i was, like, wait, what's, ethereum, and, i learned, there, was, like, many, different cryptos, other, than, just, bitcoin, like, i heard, about, like, omg, made, safe, like see, a, coin, and, like, what, the, hell, is gnosis, i'm, like, what, the, hell, is, all, of this uh, and, then, that, uh

wasn't, so, basically, like, watching youtube, [ __ ], coins, for, like, you, know, she coined, videos, for, a, while, until, i, think in, september, october, of, 2017, where, i went, to, my, first, ever um, crypto, workshop, where, uh, that, bucky pupa, the, legendary, dev, of, the, godfather of, crypto, in, sydney, basically, it, was back, then, like, running, uh, four, hour workshops, at, the, time, several, times, a week, around, like, what, is, a, private, key what, is, a, blockchain, network, it's, like what, does, i, can, you, know, what, does, it look, like, to, run, a, light, node, sync, a light, node, right, like, and, that's, when

when, i, went, to, my, first, one, i, was, like basically, like, it, blew, my, mind, like whoa, that's, like, this, is, way, more, than just, like uh, speculative, investments, this, is, like entire, like, platform, like, this, is something, that, was, gonna, be, super, huge and, just, like, fell, down, the, rabbit, hole pretty, hard, like, i, went, to, every, one, of the, workshops, pretty, much, um afterwards, and, um yeah, and, uh, i, think uh, that, was my, entry, into, crypto so, there's uh, often, at, least, for, people, who, come

into, the, ethereum, community, there's, like two, aha, moments, there's, the, aha, moment of, like, oh, this, crypto, thing, is, for, real and, it's, here, to, stay, and, then, there's the, aha, moment, is, like, oh, this, crypto thing, is, really, all, becoming encapsulated, by, ethereum, did, you, have those, two, aha, moments, as, well, it's, not like, you, definitely, had, the first, you just, described, it, was, there, anything like, that, aha, moment i, to, be, honest, i, i, was, definitely, an, xrp holder, in, the, beginning, i, like, bought everything, i, bought, litecoin, i, bought monero, i, bought, xrpl, i, was, like, and, i think, i, showed, up, to, that, dev, workshop

being, like, yeah, i'm, an, investor, like you, know they're, like, what, are, you, investing, in like oh, like, ripple's, gonna, be, totally, like revolutionizing, the, future, thank, you, and they're, like i, sort, of, now, understand, why, they're looking, at, me in, a, weird, way um, and, i, think, over, time, like, what, i, i just, realized, that all, these, really, shady, people, were, like hanging, around, all, the, other, projects and, only, really, the, real, developers, and builders, were, hanging, around, like ethereum

their, phone, community, so, i, sort, of, like naturally, like you, know, made, that, realization, of, like oh, this, might, be, the, most, legitimate, one right, uh, you, know the, developer, that, you, were, talking about, who's, leading, the, workshop, when, he was, talking, about, private, keys, and blockchain, networks, was, he, was, he, using it, is, ethereum, as, like, the, model, or, was it, more, just, like, technology, independent no, it, was, definitely, a, theory, he, was showing, me, uh, if, like, light, node, syncing he, was, showing, us, how, to, deploy uh, erc20, contract, through, remix

uh, you, know, and, we, were, using, like, you know, i, think, e4, wallet, back, then, as, well um yeah it, was, like, very, eccentric, so, yeah, yeah when, you, were you, said, you, got, bored, with, uh, working in, web, 2, and, you, work, for, tech, startups so, what, were, you, doing, for, tech, startups like, what's, your, like, technical, skill set, before, you, came, into, crypto, um yeah, i, was, a, ux, designer, so, i, talked, to all, the, users, right, so, uh, the, last project, like, web, 2, product, i, walked, on was uh, cans, aid, so, it, was, like, basically, uh

this, it's, basically, like, if, you, have cancer, you, uh, mostly, like are, guided, by, treatment, plans, and, uh like, uh, you, know, based, on, paper, right like, you, know, there's, no, real, way, to actually, like, deliver, information, uh real, time, from, like, yourself, to, like, you know, clinicians, right, so uh, like, the, whole, uh, life, cycle, of, like getting, cancer, and, like, going, into prevention, and, like, treatment, like, it was, just, it, was, like, in, chalk, and, like stone, basically, right, so, it, was, like, i was, working, an, app, that, basically

collected, all, the, data, fed, it, to clinicians, and, i, was, a, person really, understanding, talking, to, all, the cancer, patients, clinicians, family members, everyone, part, of, the, journey, and just, like, understanding, the, problem space, this, was, like, very, early, on, with the, startup, now, still, running, today, um and uh, yeah, i, was, i, just, talked, i, was, the person, to, talk, to, everyone, uh, and, put details, into, a, doc and, uh, distilled, them, into, products, and like, features, and, problems, and, data, to biz, dev, marketing, and, uh, you, know product, and, you, know, i, designed, ui

and, but, you, know, a, lot, of, it, was, talking to, people what, about, that, like, behavior, or activity, do, you, see, yourself, like recycling, skills, into this, current, web, 3, crypto, world i, yeah, i, i, sort, of, feel, like, i, hadn't like, with, community, building, i, just, like um well, i, feel, like, with, community, building that's, a, lot, of, what, i've, done, in, the last, couple, years, and, still, do, a, lot, of today, like, at, least, helping, projects think, through, this um and, i, would, say, that, a, lot, of, it, is, just like, i, take, a, i

i, really, i, guess, take, a, lot, from, product design, and, your, design, and, user, research because, i, think in, product, design, right, like, you the, heuristic, or, that, what, you're, taught is, basically, to, really, focus, on, user needs, and, you, know, build, empathy, with users, and customers, right, and, i, feel, like, the equivalent, of, that, of, being, user, like, of having, user, and, product, obsession, in, web 2, is, like, the, website, equivalent, is probably, like, being, community, for, us, and having, empathy, for, community, members right, so

um i, think, that, it's, really, the, same, thing and, like, design, in, general, it's, like design, is, a, process, right, of, like, id like, identifying, problem, space, i, getting solutions, testing, it, iterating, getting feedback, right, and, with, product, design you, know, i, guess, so, being, ui, designer web, designer, or, mobile, designer, you, just basically, you'll, assign, specific, mediums in, which, you, execute, design, for, it, right um, like, you're, you, know, whether, you're, a graphic, designer, as, well, visual, designer motion, designer

you, have, techniques, and, tools, to, solve the, problem, right, or, create, a, outcome, or create, experience, i, feel, like, with, um you, know, building, communities it's, really, designing, you're, designing an, outcome, you're, designing, an environment, designing, a, journey, for people, to, go, on, to, reach, a, certain, goal and, instead, of, uh, you, know, wireframes, as being, the, medium, which, you, express, the design, through, you're, doing, that, through uh, communication, text, storytelling organizing, the, layouts, of, discords, even to

branding, to, you, know, all, these, things and, to, relationship, building, your, these are, your, tools, and, you, know, instead, of me, looking, at, sketch, and, drawing, boxes all, day and, doing, using, drop, shadows, it's probably, more, uh, like, people, are, more, of the, interface, of, community, building, so this, is, the, analogy, i've, always, i've always, had uh, you, know, and whenever i'm, stuck, i, usually, think, like, what how, do, i, design, myself, out, of, a situation, or, someone so

this, is, really, interesting, and, i'm trying, to, figure, out, the, right, question to, ask, um so, it, feels, a, little, bit, like, social engineering, right, where with, ux you're, trying, to, optimize, towards, an outcome, my, social, engineering, has, like, a very, negative, connotation, but, right, like it, does, it's, a, very, shady, it's, very shady, connotations, like, it's, not, good right, but, also, like, almost, explicitly crypto, is, um we, are, trying, to we we, have, tools, to, tinker, with incentives, what, does, that, mean, we're tinkering, with, social, dynamics, right, and

in, the, intro, to, the, show, i, always, say cypherpunks, know, that, the, code, they write, creates, social, systems, or, impacts the, people, that, use, it, right and, so, like, when, we're, designing, these communities, like, when, you're, a, ux designer, you're, trying, to, just, basically ease, the, frictions, to, get, the, outcome that, you, want, right, like, we, have, this outcome, we, want, to, make, as, many, users, as possible, go, through, the, complete, process and, actually, achieve, the, outcome, with like, communities, they're, almost, like isn't, an, outcome, because, the, community needs, to, define, the, outcome, all, your, job is, to, do, is, to, get, people, into, the

community, right, and, have, the, community figure, out, the, outcome i, think, it different, communities, uh, can, exist, in different, ways, right, like, you, know, the way, you, describe, it, like, you, know, the community, decides, to, outcome, totally right uh, but, a, part, of, that, journey, is, like helping, like, often, like, times, it's, like facilitating, that, discovery, of, what, that community, wants, right and, creating, like, and, creating, clarity right, like, that, is, also, the, process, and once, you, have, some, love, clarity, it's like, people, like i, guess, your, job, is, to, help, people, get that, right

um, so, in, a, way, it's, very, it, definitely is, very, uh, emergent, but there's, also, something, very, like operationally, rigorous, about, like, once you've, like, identified, what, the community, wants you've, often, also, had, to, help, the, king to, get, momentum, and, find, uh, make, it steps, towards, that, right, um that's, why, i, think, oftentimes, like the, moment, in, which, a, community, really becomes, alive, is, often, when, like, you find, the, community's, trust, win, it's, like you, know, there's, plenty, of, groups, that come, together, that, want, to, do, things, but

they, often, fizz, away, because, nothing ever, gets, done, there's, no, ownership right, um, and, oftentimes, i, feel, like, the the, key, there, between, like, fizzling, out and, like, really, becoming, something special, where, everyone, jumps, on, and, adds on, is, like you, know, sparking, the, first, win, the first, victory, for, that, group, uh, and getting, making, sure, that, it's, a, a victory, that, everyone, can, feel, sort, of some, sense, of, ownership, around, right do, you, think, that, like so, imagine, a, hypothetical, community, has come, together, there's, a, decent, amount, of energy, in, there, but, there's, no, w's, yet

there's, no, winds, but, there's, some semblance, of, shared, purpose, and reasoning, goals, in, some, direction, as like, we, don't, know, where, our, winds, are going, to, be, but, we're, going, to, be they're, going, to, be, over, here, like, where are, they we're, going, to, go, that, way, find, a, w, out there, right do, you, do, you, think, that, like, maybe, the actual, instantiation, of, finding, that, w can, actually, change, uh, the, out, the, the direction, of, the, community community's like, well there's, there, were, there's, 30, degrees, of direction, that, we're, going, to, go, we're actually, going, to, go, 30, degrees, to, the

to, the, left, or, and, we're, also, going, to go, 30, degrees, to, the, right, but, we're going, forwards, but, the, actually, find, the the, wind, 30, degrees, to, the, left, and, so everyone, stops, going, right, and, and because, the, wind, was, over, to, the, left the, wind, actually, dictates, the, future direction, have, you, seen, anything, like that i've, seen, communities, well, yes, i definitely, hesitated, that, but, i, feel like, the, story, of, medical, is, the opposite, oh, tell, me, a, lot, of, medical, a lot, of, medical, toe, has, been, like, i've always, been, very, like i'm, very, like, uh, organized, so, like, i

want, to, like, make, sure, we, like, find, when structured, wins, but, it's, always, like, i feel, like, whenever, i've, tried, to, guide the, community, in, many, ways um, it's, what, i've, ended, up, achieving, is more, like, incept, like, performing inception, to, people, being, like, making sure, that, like, you, know, it's, like, we need, to, get, go, somewhere, let's, go, i think, we're, in, this, direction, and, then like, people, some, people, resist, that, sort of, the, meme, doesn't, catch, on, and, i'm like all, right, whatever, and, then very, naturally, we, actually, do, go somewhere, because, people, are, generally aligned, with, like, the, requirements, of

where, we, need, to, go, and strangely, enough, it's, like the, answer, is, very, emergent right, and, then, over, time, i, realized, that you, know, you, need, enough uh, chaos, and, noise, to, exist uh, you, know, like, some, that, is, actually something, like, you, know, a, good, thing, you want, a, lot, of, uh you, know, like, sort, of, friction, and, like bouncing, you, want, ideas, to, float, in, and out, you, want, there, to, be, collisions, of ideas, and that's, sort, of, where, you, know yeah, the, memphis, and, that's, why, i, think you, know, um

yeah, direction, comes, from, so, like, i realized, instead, of, like, forming direction, frost uh, you, know, like, one, of, the, things, i, the mentality, shifts, i, went, from, in, terms, of making, doubt, proposals, was, like, instead of, like, pointing, in, a, single, direction first, i, you, know, i, started, writing proposals, that, really, just, outlined, the vision, of, where, we, want, to, go and, then, getting, alignment, there, and then just, like, holding, discussions, around that, vision, and, then, very, naturally, the the, sort, of, the, actual, tactical um, direction, really, emerges, from, some, of the, members, right, like, it, just, it, sort

of, clicks, when, the, right, meme, comes abroad, right, um yeah, and, and, so, that's, how, i've, learned sort, of, how, to, operate there's, there, seems, to, be, like, a, chicken and, an, egg, discussion, here, right, like, do the, visions, dictate, the, winds, or, do, the winds, dictate, the, visions and, i, mean, it, sounds, like, there's, an interaction, between, those, two, things do, you, have, an, opinion, on, which, one's more, important i, don't, think, the, uh, sometimes, one, is important, but, like, sometimes a, long-term, direction, is, impo, is, more

important, than, the, current, short-term focus, but, sometimes you, need, to, also, run, with, it, sort, of like, i, feel, like, running communities, or, fostering, communities, is a, bit, like, being, sort, of uh, a, dj, sort, of, like, you, know, you're like uh, you're, mixing, tracks, that, work, well with, each, other, you, should, you, sort, of know, what, tracks, you're, putting, on, but at, the, same, time, you're, reading, the, room and, the, next, track, that, you, thought, was going, to, be, good, 20, minutes, ago, might not, be, the, right, track, now, like, you, know uh, but, there, might, still, be, this, overall theme, and, that, you, want, to, like, mix

throughout, the, night, with, right, like that, you, have, a, certain, set, of, song selections, right, that, you, want, to, like play, within, uh, and, there's, no, right answer, but, like, um you, know, so, i, think, you, have, to, be really, present, and, sort, of, have, your finger, on, the, pulse, on making, sure, you, go, explore, the, areas that, the, community, wants, explore and, at, some, times, make, trade-offs, to just, like, project, into, a, certain, area because, it, needs, to, go, where, it, needs, to go right, and, i, think, that, is, like the you, know, like, it's, like, not, too, much

salt, not, too, little, just, just, right, just just, enough, right, so um that's, a, another, cooking, analogy, i, guess it's, like, you, know yeah it, makes, sense, because, when, you're, i'm not, i'm, not, a, dj, i, think, you, are, or, at least, you, very, much, appreciate, people that, dj yeah, i, appreciate, my, uh, warehouse, raves and, sounds, yeah, okay, okay, so, it, seems, to be, like, the, the, shared, goal, behind, like a, crypto, community, a, community, at, large but, like, what, we're, really, talking, about crypto, communities, and, a, dj, is, like

there's, a an, energy, right, there's, a, vibe, that, must be, sustained, uh, and, the, dj's, job, is, to sustain, the, vibe, while, also, directing, it right, like, making, sure, the, vibe, stays alive, uh, and, same, thing, with, it, with, a community, right, like, there's, a, vibe, and the, best, thing the, the, goal, of, a, community, is, to, make that, vibe, shared, by, more, people, right, so djs, want, their, music, to, be, listened, to by, more, people d5, communities, or, crypto, communities want, their, community, values, to, be, shared and, vibed, with, by, more, people, and, then

have, that, vibe, become, like, stronger, and stronger, and, stronger, over, time, right like, it's, just, like, this, core, energy, of like, there's, probably, uh, other, examples as, well, and, also, like, time, is, perfect yeah yeah, no, this, is, a, perfect, way, to describe, it, and, um yeah, and, there's, uh, you, know, it's, like oftentimes, in, dallas, it's, like, get, [ __ ] done, or, have, fun, or, do, both, and, like, you want, to, have, a, bunch, of, mix, of, both, and do, things, within, that's, in, line, with, the vibe, of, a, community, right yeah, and, like, there's, got, to, be, some

sort, of, semblance, balance, between, like play, and, work, and, play, right, because, if you're, all, if, everyone, in, the, dow, is working, and, no, one's, playing, well is, that, really, a, vibe, but, also, if everyone's, playing, and, not, working then, like, the, vibe, is, going, to, die, yeah because, like, all, the, economic, resources are, going, to, get, expended yes, absolutely, right, uh the, whole, coming, like, it should, be, a chat this, should, be, a, chat, it's, like, the trade-off, of, like, nice

yeah, it's, like, the, future, like, nba, the the, crypto, version, nd, it's, like vibing, working, it's, like, we've, got, to find, the, perfect, triangle, like, of equality, here, you, know, um we're, working, hard, playing, joints yeah, the, conjoined, triangles, of, vibing and, uh, working, i, don't, know there's, something, here, somebody, else take, this, and, run, with, it, um, peter, what was, the, the, first, like, crypto, community that, you, felt, aligned, with, and identified, with

good, question, um i, would, definitely, say, um, i, came, across oh, that's, right, yes, this, is, um, so my, first, crypto, conference, like, in, uh may, of, 2018 you, know, at, contemporanto the, day, before, the, conference, on, i, went to, this, event uh, where, you, know, like, people, were talking, about, eip zero, it, was, a, um, back, then, i, think, the firm, community, was, like, basically, in, a

bit, of, a, [ __ ], show, like, you, know, because the, uh, eip 999, just, happened, which, is, basically this, like, idea, to, hard, fork, right, oh, no no, it, was, like, i, think, parity's uh, proposal, i'm, not, sure, what, it, exactly was, but, i, think, it's, parody's, proposal to, like uh, like, hard, fork, ethereum, but, that, was shut, down because, like, there, was, like, a, parody multi, stick, hack, yeah, no, that, that, i think, that, was, right, yeah, uh, and, the funny, thing, was, also, vip, 999, backwards is, like six, six, died

[Laughter] um, so, yeah, people, were, talking, about, uh yeah, zero, um, i, mean yeah, p9, and, i, said, like, you, know, huge contention, because, like, if, i'm, hardcore uh, from, the, dow, and, that, happened, right but, what, about, parody, motorcycle, you know, blah, blah, blah, so, the, ip0, was, a effort, to, basically, go, around the, entire, film, community, to, collect feedback, on, how, ethereum, should, be governed, what, its, values, were, right, uh it, was, one, of, the, first, attempts, to

really, put, this, on, paper, right, um there's, a, reference, to, layer, zero, here somewhere, with, eip, zero, it's, like, the genesis, of, the, genesis, of, the, culture right that's, right, and, i, think, uh, that, was, an online, survey, and, i, was, like, helping like, collate, the, survey, responses together, right, in, a, figma, board um, but, i, that, was, a, meetup, like, held, by the, shared, magicians, that, was, in, charge of, like, hosting, discussion, about, uh, yeah zero, and, uh, eip, uh, 999, and, i, think, there was, like, justice, steiner, like, uh, it, was

lane, red, tag, like uh hudson, um i, think, griff, uh, griff, green, they, were on, a, couch, and, there, was, like, a, you, know some, downtown, toronto meetup, space, there, was, like, lfo, there like, all, the, people, i, saw, on, twitter, but were, like, just, on, all, that, like, rl, on the, couch, like, talking, about, this, stuff and, i, was, just, sitting, there like, this, like, little you, know, dumb, nut, just, like, listening, in and, like, trying, to, keep, up and, i, think that, resonated, because, they, were, truly trying, to, like, protect, something

important, which, is, like, this, like, the community, around, ethereum, right, making sure, it, doesn't, like, fragment, and, you know, making, sure, governance, was, sort, of sort, of, conducted, in, an, open, fashion i, so, i, really, that, i, think, that's, the first, community, i, really, like, resonate with, and, like, forest, man, was, sort, of really in, the, in, the, weeds, helping, coordinate everything, i, was, trying, to, do, i, wasn't, i couldn't, really, participate, in, any, of the, discussions, so, i, just, like, did, the dumb, stupid, stuff, like, hey, i, cleaned, up the, github, issues, i i, tagged, all, the, posts, you, know, um, i

wrote, the, notes, for, this, right, um, i, did things, such, as, like, oh, let's, like, don't know, anything, about, the, product, managers in, ethereum, and, web, free, back, then, so i'm, going, to, do eve, product, interviews, right, on, on everyone, on, all, the, pms, i, knew um, and yeah, and, at, that, meet-up, i, just, like remember, being, like, wow, this, is, like it's, like, such, a, privilege, potentially to, like, contribute, to, something, so, big right, um and, that, was, like, what's, the, strong impression, i, was, like, i, wanna, i, want, to do, important, work, one, day, i, like, these