# Monolithic to Modular DAOs with Julz Rosenburg | Layer Zero

*Author: David Hoffman*
*Published: Jun 21, 2022*
*Source: https://www.bankless.com/es/monolithic-to-modular-daos-with-julz*

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In their current state, most DAOs have coordination and hierarchical problems. However, with the help of Julz and the Orca Protocol team, this won’t always be the case.

Why are pods essential for the future of DAOs and work? What obstacles stand in the way to achieve this future? Why aren’t you pod-pilled yet? Answers to these questions and so much more in the episode.

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### TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro

4:31 What Julz is Here To Do

9:07 History & Summary of Governance 

14:48 Trustware vs. Socialware 

20:43 Innovation on the Trustware Layer

22:16 Orca Protocol 

25:10 Why Pods Matter 

30:30 DAO Governance Critiques 

36:07 The U.S. Governance System

39:10 The Future of Work

43:34 Monolithic to Modular DAOs

48:05 DAO Metaphors 

50:42 How to Get Culture to Scale Exponentially 

56:03 Pod Coordination 

57:40 DAO Governance Optimism 

59:28 Julz’s Advice & Resources for DAOs 

1:01:18 Orca’s Product & Capturing Resources 

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### RESOURCES
Julz on Twitter

https://twitter.com/JulzRoze 

Orca Protocol

https://www.orcaprotocol.org/ 

https://twitter.com/OrcaProtocol